Project Team Kassanova K2 buggy

[EDS]

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Team Kassanova K2 Buggy



Since of a good friend (ZeroHax369) I have been able to start acouple more projects. The first project is a B4 inspired 2wd buggy.There has been the x-6 and many other people have converted the B4 into a mid motor buggy but I want to do something alittle different. So Its going to use b4 suspension. But it will have tc3 style mid motor , with a tc3 differential, and laydown shocks in the front and rear. This buggy will be like no other buggy you have ever seen. The following parts will be custom cut either on a cnc or by hand.

-Lower Chassis

-Top Deck

-Rocker mounts

-Motor mount

-Chamber mounts

-Rear chassis plate

-Front Chassis plate

When designing this buggy I decided to go with the Tc3 type mounted motor because if I where to just flip the b4 tranny I wouldn't be doing anything different and I would have would have had to use either a 4x2 battery set up ,which I don't want to use becuase I can't use lipo in it. Or I would have had to go with a saddle formation but I wouldn't have been able to get the batteries very far back on the chassis. Also the B4 trans would have made it very hard to incorparate a laydown shock set-up. I decided to go with the laydown shocks becuase they lower the CG,make the suspension progressive,and in my opinion is more durable becuase you don't have to worry about shock towers or bending shock shafts. I also love doing things thats are innovative and different , that are a challenge. Here are a few pics dimenstrating the layout.

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[Been 2780]

wow that looks like a long long project u got ahead of yourself

[Philderbeast]

Looks like a killer project, I will keep my eyes on it.I love the direct drive setup. Less weight, less moving parts, and less parts to break. It is a good system, easy and easy to work on if you ever need to. Will this be 2wd or 4wd?

[Scorpion3443]

did you buy it as a kit and where and how much because im looking for a truggy buggy or car kit thats electric because i think its fun to make because you learn alot

[EDS]

This is going to be 2wd buggy. Actually this is one of my more simple projects. It started out as a Team Associated B4 kit. I got it free from a friend of mine. You can usually find them used for about $90

I don't have many physical updates because of the lack of financial support. But I will be turning 16 soon and will be getting a summer job. As far as design changes though I do have an update.. The motor will be mounted on the other side of chassis so that it rotates towards the center. I personally will be using this battery layout shown in the the pictures because my track is high traction. But for low traction tracks I plan on mounting one half of the saddle pack behind the diff in some kind of protective case. This will give more rear traction. Also I am considering being able to mount a regular SxS pack on the chassis just like a Tc3 with the motor,esc,reciever on the other side. I rather run saddles and will be. But this car will most likely be run by another driver who only have SxS.So there will be many battery mounting options.

[aeguy18]

I luv lay down shocks they soooo cool but what is the reason 4 them

[EDS]

Aeguy-Here are the reasons why I am making the buggy have laydown shocks
1. Lower Center of Gravity
2. Less bent shock shafts
3. In my opinion more durable
4. Progressive suspension
5. Its unique

[aeguy18]

Aeguy-Here are the reasons why I am making the buggy have laydown shocks
1. Lower Center of Gravity
2. Less bent shock shafts
3. In my opinion more durable
4. Progressive suspension
5. Its unique

kool!!!!!!!:D:cool:

[miniRaminator rules]

cool ware is the chasis :):)

[Fiero_Man_121]

this thread seems all too fimilar *cough* URC, lol, glad to see this build somewhere else, like home away from home,

love this build bdw

[EDS]

I haven't had much time to work on this since of soccer and I have been working alot on my TR3 project. But I started cutting the chassis out today. I just have to make some minor cuts to make sure everything is even on each side and then need to sand it down and start drilling holes. I will get pictures of it as soon as I get it finished and as soon as I mount the front end and the rear end to the carbon rear plate.I designed the chassis to accept a stick pack on the opposite side of the motor. Thats why the chassis is so wide up front. I did that because my R&D racer only has stick lipos no saddles. Among that option I also designed it so that one half of the saddle can be on the opposite side of the motor and the other half can be on the back of the car like a 1/10th nitro. There are a ton of battery options.Along with these layouts later on I will be working on a layout with a mid-motor and saddle packs on the rear like the B44. All of these layouts can be used on the same main chassis. Total there are 4 layouts that I will be experimenting with.
Here are the battery layouts I explained above...

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[Taylor]

Pretty cool i like this project a lot.

[EDS]

Taylor: Thanks :)

I finished the main chassis and got the front and the rear all mounted up. I really like how the rear came together and it fits quiet nicely.The one thing that I'm not exactly excited about is the wheelbase is about 182mm. Which is about 9mm longer than a B4. Hopefully this won't hold it back in the corners. If so I will find away of shortening it. When I get more lexan I will be able to make the rocker mounts,side channels,battery posts, etc. The rear lexan plates that are holding the rear plate on are temporary and will be replaced by a strong one piece.Also I haven't drilled all the holes or counter sunk all of them so please keep that in mind Hope you guys like it . I think the yellow wheels really help it to stand out.

Peace,
Ethan
Team Kassanova
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[master_of_desaster]

lookin good Ethan!

[Taylor]

Awesome ride man.

[Been 2780]

looks good, the chassis is carbon fiber right? or what is it made out of?

[LSXEric]

Awsome man! Please tell me ur going to get some really good batts, the others look well used!

[Taylor]

Yeah maybe a lipo or something.

[LSXEric]

Mabye a good 2x3 pack. I think that would be best.

[EDS]

Thanks guys :) Yes the chassis is made out of carbon fiber

LSX: haha thats my best pack :p Yes I plan on getting a Lipo saddle pack from maxamps.

[aeguy18]

cool stuff man cooooool stuff and good luck

[EDS]

I ended up mostly finishing the front end today... I have some small things that I need to do to it to complete the front but its 95% finished. I know that the right shock is at a different angle than the other and will fix that tomarrow.

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Ethan
Team Kassanova

[Taylor]

whoa! cool idea revo rockers and same type of suspension new idea to the MAX!:cool:

[Fiero_Man_121]

i was wondering what was up with this project, glad to see some updates! it looks sweet!

edit; what kinda body do you plan on using? at this point i have no idea what youd use.

[LSXEric]

Nice idea on the the suspension! Looking good EDS.

[EDS]

Taylor, LSXEric: Thanks guys. Look for more updates soon

Fiero: I'm just going to use a B4 body with some of the nose cut out for the Shocks. It won't fit perfectly becuase the front of my chassis is very wide. So the body will have to be bent out to fit on. Eventually I would like to make my own body.

[Mouse4666]

you should use a b44 body

[EDS]

I think that would probaly fit... but it might look sort of wierd being soo wide in the front with the thin front wheels.

[EDS]

After slow progress I have managed to complete another stage of the project.I got the following cut and mounted (yet not sanded or countersunk):
- chassis supports
-battery straps
-battery posts,
- quick release motor mount
- upper deck

All this leaves is :
-Rear suspension
- body/wing mounting
- final touches to finish (sanding,countersinking,etc)

Then ofcourse I have to make upper deck ,battery strap,battery posts,etc for the stick pack layout.

Here are some updated pictures..let me know what you guys think.
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Ethan
Team Kassanova

[KID]

Looks awesome EDS, great work. I'm looking forward to the end product.:)

[Fiero_Man_121]

Looks awesome EDS, great work. I'm looking forward to the end product.:)

+ 1 on that

[LSXEric]

Man this project has been a long one, but man that thing is sexy!

[muffinmann]

looks sweet cant wait to see it finished i really admire the way you guyscan put together such awesome projects

[EDS]

Thanks for all the compliments guys! I got another update for you guys...
Got the rear suspension mounted and all. So now I just have one more stage ( Body,wing,sanding,countersinking,final touchs etc mostly small stuff) . Its sitting really low because the springs are too soft and I plan on getting stiffer ones.I'm also waiting on come custom made Cvds from a friend of mine.
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Ethan
Team Kassanova

[muffinmann]

looks really cool wonder how well it handles keep us posted

[EDS]

Thanks. I'm wondering the same thing and I'm hoping it will handle well otherwise all this hard work will be for nothing. Looks cool but if it can't perform its worthless. Alright I will

[EDS]

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Ethan
Team Kassanova

[OldSchoolRC]

looks great - keep us posted!

[camiguel]

Just wondering if there have been any updates:confused:

[EDS]

I apologize for not giving you guys an update though much progress has been made on the buggy. I successfully had the buggy in running condition by the biggest race in the state. I raced the buggy in it and my goal was just to finish one race. Unfortunately, I was not able to achieve this goal becuase of minor issues such as Cvds popping out, motor mount moving, motor getting too hot , etc. I ended up taking the rear end completely apart 3 times during the race. I have been working to resolve these problems and I think they will be taken care of after a few small tweaks here and there along with a few aluminum parts that will be coming soon. Any way though its about 98% done I just have a few small touch ups and setting up to do along with extensive testing. Here are some pictures of it 98%. When its a 100% I will be having even better pictures taken by a friend of mine. Along with a video of a racer friend of mine driving it. The future for this machine is unsure but it got aton of weird stares and alot of attention at the race. After I get the aluminum motor mount and custom modified Cva's and get some extra parts this is going to be shipped down to Florida for a photo shoot and testing and then up to Michigan for more testing and a video. Enough of me talking and on to the pictures. I would like to thank my friend Kyle for painting me up the body

Ethan
Team Kassanova

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[camiguel]

Cool although the body looks alittle wierd.

I believe that some of the best parts of the projects is figuering out what does and what doesnt work.

[LSXEric]

Thats amazeing! Get some revo shock boots to protect the front shocks since there is no body. Looks great what motor is that?

[EDS]

Cami: Yea trial and error is abit frustrating though. Especially when you get one problem worked out and then another one pops up. I will get everything worked out though...eventually haha

LSX: Thanks man :) Didn't think of getting some shock boots. Not sure it needs them. I actually didn't know the body would be that tall when I cut it out... the front part it looks like is tall enough to cover the shocks if I left it on. So the next body I might leave it on.

[EDS]

Since my last update I have been busy with School,work,running track,and ofcourse spending time with my girlfriend. I haven't had much time to work on r/c's but I'm on spring break right now so I have gotten a chance to catch up with this project along with others.Last couple of days I have started to plan out how to fix the problems that I was having at the track a couple months ago. I finally got this thing torn down to inspect for where my problems where coming from. After tearing it down I have realized that major changes need to be made and my current design can not offer these solutions.. thus I have started to plan Version 2.

If you prefer to not read all the boring details please scroll down and read the bolded section to find the main points and changes that will be made.

The problems that I experienced wile testing for the first time included:
-Motor getting so hot the wires came unsoldered
This later was fixed by installing a larger spur gear and smaller pinion. I will continue to research a desired FDR but a brushless esc and motor should help with this problem.

-Cvd's popping out of the outdrives
The angle of the cvd going down from the outdrive to the hub carrier was too great when the a-arms are parellel to the ground causing a large amount of "plunge" in the outdrive during down travel and up-travel. At full down travel this causes the Cvd to come out of the outdrive while the full up travel cannot be achieved becuase the end of the cvd hits the end of the outdrive.

-Un-realiable gear mesh
-weak rear chassis plate
These two problems go hand and hand. Both have to do with the weakness of the rear chassis plate and how it was mounted. I made a seperate carbon fiber rear chassis plate so if the rear of the chassis broke this is the only part that would need to be replaced instead of the entire chassis. Unfortunatly the way I mounted the piece to the main chassis caused alot of flex and movement. When landing from jumps the gear-mesh was up-set. Partly this may be becuase of the motor mount but it might also because of the movement and flexibility in this area.

-Bump-steer
Caused by a difference of angles and heights between the servo saver and the steering blocks.

-bottoming out front end
Even with my stiffest touring car springs up front the front kept bottoming out even when dropped from a foot or so. There is too much leverage in the rockers.

Though these problems maybe small ones they kept me from being able to run the car and are caused by major design flaws. My plan of action to eliminate thoughs problems are quiet exstinsive and will require a re-design of most of the car. This is a major set back but I am finding it is part of making custom cars.

Plans for the Team Kassanova K2 V2 are as follows:
-Laydown suspension
-Entire new chassis
-Team Associated Gt2 front chassis plate and bulkhead along with all the steering components.
-B44 Slipper clutch
-B44 Rear end
-Custom made body
-Electronic/motor layout similar to the B44 (example seen below)
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The Gt2 front end,New layout, and B44 rear end will require a completely new upper and lower chassis along with many other associated parts like rocker mounts. Yes, I the new version will have laydown shocks in the front and rear.

The Gt2 front end will add durability and eliminate most of the bump steer because the servo saver/steering is at an angle. This also eliminates the modifications that I had to do to the b4 a-arms to fit the T3 bulkhead.

The B44 Slipper clutch will fix the problems I was having with the motor mount and will spin more free than the Tc3”0” slipper clutch and it will also be more adjustable.

The new electronic layout and b44 rear end are my solutions to the Weak rear chassis plate, inconsistent gear mesh, and cvd plunge. All these problems go hand and hand along with the solutions. The b44 rear chassis plate will be much stronger than my carbon rear plate and is much easier replaced. This will also solve any other gear mesh problems I was having caused by the flex in my rear plate and how it was mounted . This requires a B44 differential case that would lower the clutch too lower and cause the spur gear to stick out of the bottom of the car if I used the same motor and clutch location as my last design. Thus I have to move the motor forward on the chassis so that the spur can be at the right height. The B44 diff case and will lower the differential and decrease the angle that the Cvd’s are at thus decreasing the Cvd plunge.

After trying to bolt too bodies together (b4 and xxx-4) I have decided to make my own body. The body shown in my pictures worked well but it turned out to be very hard to paint and I feel making my own body will be a nice challenge and will help make this project more professional.

To conclude this giant mess of words I’m redesigning most of this project. And I have found that this is a part of engineering and making your own cars. There is a lot of trial and error that must take place. In the end though I believe these major changes should give me an over all better car that will handle better, be more durable, and be more reliable. I will be inputting more factory made parts and this should help with the problems I have been having and make part replacement much easier.

Ethan
Team Kassanova.