revo 3.3 vs hellfire

[MT WANNA-B]

alright, i use to work with a little 13 yr. old "mr. know it all" at my LHS. and he thinks traxxas is the greatest co. in the entire world, and that HPI is nothing but POS vehicles. I tell him all the time how the Savage can completely dominate the Revo and T-Maxx in bashing. But he says that the Savage can't even hang with the Revo and T-Maxx as far as bashing and speed. I already know the Savage is built for speed so I don't bother arguing there. Well I am also registered to the XRC forums, and he thinks that XRC are a bunch of losers and don't know anything about RC because every guy, except for those hard core TRX fans say that the Savage can out bash any TRX monster truck. So I come to you guys since this is the only mag he reads. Here pretty soon I plan to buy a Hellfire, but of course he says that it's garbage and I would be better off with a Revo 3.3. Well the guys on XRC say that the Hellfire definately out-weighs the Revo 3.3 race wise and bashing (out-weighs: meaning it is a lot better). So I would like to get you guys opinion since he reads this mag to prove to him that XRC guys aren't idots, that I know about RC than he does, and that he is a young arogant fool.

[Rhcsavage21]

i would say the revo is alot more then a racer then a basher. the revo is nice but i see some problems with it, and that is mainly to the stock header breaking all the time. the hell fire is one sick truck i love it and would get that in a heartbeat if i were given the choice.
i would say stop listening to him :D challange him to a race and see who wins. or better yet buld your self a 8 foot back flip ramp and see who can do the most back flips lol

[Evil3]

He is a 13 yr. old, so let him enjoy his fantasy. lol

The Savage is one of the toughest trucks on the market, as well as the LST2 (of course the savage is cheaper). Now the TRX trucks can bash, and the Revo is mostly a race MT. However their engines are known for not being the most powerful engines out there (drop an OS .18 in one and the truck will rip). Another thing is that the gears in the TRX truck are not made for the power out-put that a big block engine has (like the savage, LST2, and the MGT). Out of the box the Revo and LST2 are the better racers against other MT's (not truggies), as the other trucks need a little modifying to get them race worthy, and the Savage and LST will out perform the Revo in bashing. As for the Hellfire it's an ok truggy, but for the price you can pick up a better one (especially if you plan on racing). Yes the Hellfire is better then the TRX trucks, although it won't have the ground clearance that the MT's have (that’s because truggies are meant to race, lol).




BTW you might know me over at xrc as pyromike. lol

[MT WANNA-B]

YES, pyromike! yea this is my same name on XRC also. and hey, i dunno if you have read a thread i posted a few days ago; bout getting an LST2 or a Hellfire. if you haven't, here's the link http://rc411.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4681

[Turnbuckle]

I use to be like that until i took a trip to the local track.. Then i got a big wiff of reality and relized Traxxas were the biggest POS's.. get him a CRT. :D

[El Pedro]

I agree with him about the Hellfire. POS it is indeed. If you look on Tower they have already discontinued the SS Kit. The Revo 3.3 sure is a good racer but it can't hang with the truggies, if you're after a Truggy I would go for one of the proven race winners. Kyosho, Jammin, Losi etc.

A guy at my local track has a Hellfire SS, he has also raced MT and 1/10 Stadium Truck cl**** both in which he was competitive. However he struggled with the Hellfire, he could put down faster laps with his TNX!

I have just ordered the new Losi 8ight T Race Roller. Can't wait to put some track time on it. Will let you know how it goes

[RcOneNitro]

You don't see anybody at the track racing a Hellfire or see much on the RC Mag's winning races. Go with the Revo 3.3 or Losi 8T. I have a 8T and does great at the track.

[JGtruggy]

I second for the 8T:D

[KID]

the hellfire comes more ready to race than the revo, thats why you pay more. but with a few mods the revo can way way out preform on the track IMO

i have the revo 3.3 ("with race mods")

my dad just bought the hellfire like 3 days ago. hes breaking it in tomorrow.

so ill let yins know how they compare.

(the first thing i notice without even seeing the hellfire started is the steering srevo is way under powered)

[mustang1984]

I have a Hellfire and it is an awesome truggy. My best friend has a 3.3 Revo and its a nice truck but it breaks a lot. He has driven my hellfire and he said its a mean machine. I know its not the best truggy out there but it is a good working truck and tough. I told my friend we would have to race the Revo and the hellfire. His comment was I'll race your Savage instead, so he has a fear of the Hellfire. But any race will be all in fun, thats what this hobby is about. Right. ANd as for the Savage 4.6 X well he will have to follow me up the ramp and over the house if he wants to race the revo against it. SO I guess till we race I can't say which is better.

[pedeboi364]

LOL, ur friend must be a bad driver and his revo must be pretty much stock if it's breaking a lot... anyways, the hellfire is one mean machine, and im surprised it isn't at the top of the truggy class... anyways, tha Savvy vs. Revo race should be more entertaining, but you guys should do drag races, 3 laps on a track, high jumps, etc. like ur own lil monster jam

[KID]

Savvy VS. Revo would be boring..............lol

Speaking of racing, my dad and me are taking our trucks to the track tonight

Revo VS. Hellfire

I'll let yins know the outcome (**cough......cough...revo....cough**)

[pedeboi364]

lol, it all depends on how the trucks are set up IMO cuz they are both very fast and very nimble... that would make a tight, interesting race if im not mistaken

[Philderbeast]

I have raced a few truggies. I can hang with them, but they are a little faster. Kep in mind, my revo is a 2.5R with no mods at the time. Now it has a 3.3, bow ties and a host of other parts. I think if they have not gotten any better, I can run very well with them, perhaps even out run most of them. I have only broken the occaisional shock cap, and I have blew up the front diff cup from a wicked crash at the track, that is all, nothing more. IMO, Revo is THE BEST MT on the market, and with the right mods and driver, can hang with some truggies well. It is not a basher, though it can be used as for light to moderate bashing. I have never liked the idea of a nitro car or truck for bashing. IMO electric is better for those purposes. I am on my lid alot when bashing, and nitro is too messy and expensive to let drip out till you get the truck turned up right. IMO, anyone who says a revo WILL out perform a truggy or buggy on the track had better have the skills to back up that claim, or perish in a cloud of dust. Try getting him to race for pinks if he is so confedent. Just be sure you can afford to lose also.

[pedeboi364]

IMO if u can race a nitro u can bash a nitro... racing skillz help u keep the vehicle on it's paws :D

[KID]

Hellfire VS. revo(W)

Hellfire had way to much power for the small indoor track, and wasn't set up right




Heres how i feel about REVO VS. ANY TRUGGY:

A race revo is a great truck on the track. Its fast and responsive made to be fun off and on the track.

A truggy like a mugen is, Super fast, ultra responsive, consistently consistent, and built to race and be tuned. A good truggy is so much more tunealbe, a lower CG, bigger motor, more caster.

If a revo was as comparable to a truggy, they would be in the same class.

[mustang1984]

I got the chance to drive my friends Revo and I would say it was set up all wrong. I didn't have my Savage or Hellfire there. It was on pavement and I found it flipped a lot. The hellfire would be glued to the road. I haven't started my new Savage X 4.6 or my old heavily modified Kyosho Rampage with a brand new OS .18CVR. I like the revo but it didn't have the low end of the hellfire. I think out of the hole I would have him. I am thinking of a 15, 16 or 17 tooth bell to get more top end. I read that that the hellfire has enough power to still have tons of low end. So we will have the hellfire vs. the revo vs. the savage vs. the rampage.

[Scorpion3443]

i have a revo and i was driving it up and down my street today and since its the only one i own right now i love it but it does flip if you hit the brakes and turn at the same time but if you do it seperate it wont flip at least mine wont

[mustang1984]

I am not ripping the Revo. I haven't seen enough of the Revo yet. Also I haven't run the Savage at all. The revo is a nice truck and I might of bought one but My wife would kill me and besides I can drive my buddy's when I want to. I think people pass judgment on savages because the have a revo and vice versa. I think you have to drive them all first. I have people tell me that my Mustangs suck because they own a chevy. The kicker is you find out they own a 4 cylinder chevy and thats all they have driven. I have had camaros and driven vettes as well and lots of mustangs and it what you like and some of it is the driver as well. Also it the hop ups and setup you have as well.

[pedeboi364]

i'd have to say ur buddy there set his revo up for heavy bashing... a revo with a racing suspension would be glued to the road like a 1/10 carpet car...

[mustang1984]

Yeah I think you are right about the revo set up. I really want the run my old rampage against his revo on pavement. I think I might be able to hang with him.
I have done quit a bit to it over the 16 years that I have had it. It has a brand new OS .18 cvr in it. I am converting the old belt drive over to one that I came up with. I am also building a disc brake for it from hellfire used brake parts to do the the CAD drawing. I have to get in the machine shop and build it now.

[Philderbeast]

Race trim, my revo is very stable, but it is a MT and MT's are notorious for a high CG. High CG means you drive it different than you do a oval car, or stadium truck, buggy or truggy. You Must brake before the turn, and pour on the coals when your around half way through the turn. Whats funny though, is on the track, my cornering is close to that of the truggies, but I do not scrub on landings to lose speed, and I have a better suspention package for the rythems, and roughs, I leave the truggies there.

[pedeboi364]

i love it when im right :D :D :rolleyes: ya i'd love to have a race revo...

[Scorpion3443]

lol revo + large parking lot + street + cars= race lol i was at the stadium buy my house driving up and down the parking lot next to the street thats 35 mph i was passing cars i love it i want the track near my house to open soon so i can race other rcs

[pottsgroverc]

I have a savage and a revo. I have a truggy, but not a hellfire. Really comparing a hellfire and a revo is apples and oranges, but the revo's capabilities make it possible for a well skilled driver to keep up with the "pack" of truggy racers on a local level. No matter how good a driver you are, or how many hop-ups, a Savage would not be able to do the same. At most tracks I can run about a 12% shorter lap time with my truggy than my revo. Same racer, same $ in parts. However, with Pro Series rules I run the O.S. 21TM in my revo and the O.S. .28 in my truggy, so that makes a difference. But in all reality, the revo can't handle a 28 on a track (or any other MT).

[mustang1984]

I have the hellfire HPI K.28 HO engine and it works good but I am an OS guy have been for 15 years and I have been looking at the OS .28zx and the OS .30 vg and I was wondering which would be best for the truggy. I am figuring the .28 for race rules. How powerful is it. The OS 30vg would probably be better in a savage.

[Philderbeast]

I have a savage and a revo. I have a truggy, but not a hellfire. Really comparing a hellfire and a revo is apples and oranges, but the revo's capabilities make it possible for a well skilled driver to keep up with the "pack" of truggy racers on a local level. No matter how good a driver you are, or how many hop-ups, a Savage would not be able to do the same. At most tracks I can run about a 12% shorter lap time with my truggy than my revo. Same racer, same $ in parts. However, with Pro Series rules I run the O.S. 21TM in my revo and the O.S. .28 in my truggy, so that makes a difference. But in all reality, the revo can't handle a 28 on a track (or any other MT).

I second that local level stuff, you are right on the money there. However, like I said b-4, my revo does not scrub speed on larger jumps like the truggies do, and that makes for a faster lap IMO. However, at the same time, I see your point with the same driver same $$$ thing. I am sure if I had a truggy, and I set it up for the track my way, not the locals way, I may have better lap times than them. They are always too stiff or too soft on suspention, and have not figured out that delicate balance yet. And they do get mad when a stock revo can run them down, and make a pass at will. Wait till they test against my race mods.

[pottsgroverc]

I have the hellfire HPI K.28 HO engine and it works good but I am an OS guy have been for 15 years and I have been looking at the OS .28zx and the OS .30 vg and I was wondering which would be best for the truggy. I am figuring the .28 for race rules. How powerful is it. The OS 30vg would probably be better in a savage.
More power than I need. I went from the 21AL speed to the 28. Wanted the torque over speed. I still have way more speed than need, but the 28 gets over the jumps that follow immediate corners better than the 21. never had the 30, but looking at the specs the 28 seems to be a step above.

[90Tazfreak]

I would have to say , as the owner of a 3.3 Revo , that the Hellfire is a better all round truck . My friend has a Hellfire and it has survived crashes that break parts on Revo's . There are a lot more hop-ups for the Revo , but they just get it to Hellfire status !

[KID]

My dad has had the hellfire for 5 months now. IMO its a beater. Brakes all the time, and is a handfull on the track.

Money would be better spent on Lois, Mugen, or Kyosho.